Episode 85: Dom Nero 2015

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Ryan: Here we go, podcast time. Thank you so much for, checking it out as always. I'm really only jumping on here quickly to tell you that Kelly Doherty will be up next. I will have another revisit episode in connection, I guess, with the Imaging Days 2015. Kelly Doherty, who has elevated to one of the most powerful people in the world of imaging, is definitely worth a revisit, a refresher on the interview, but also one more hype episode for the Imaging Days 2015. I've seen the list of the attendees. It is going to be epic. I already know most of the people that are speaking and the ones that are, you know, sponsoring, so they'll be there for that purpose. but just the list of attendees is going to be amazing. Going to be a blast. It's October 5th and 6th. So hopefully if you are making your way out there, you say hi to me. If you haven't decided yet, make your way out. I think it'll be a great event. Otherwise, one more thing to tell you. Oh yes. In the interview with Dom Narrow coming up in seconds, we did reference, some sound design work he's doing for video sound to picture. there are links on the podcast. podcast on his podcast episode page on RyanOnTheRadio.com. I don't remember how we said it in the interview, so I don't know if I made that clear, but I have the YouTube links right there. So if you don't regularly go to my site, if you're getting this in iTunes or somewhere else, you might want to happen over there and check out some of the stuff he's doing for video. Otherwise, let's dive right in. And here we are again, another returning guest to the podcast, a well-deserved revisit with someone who's now become kind of my buddy and also really respected talent in the world of radio imaging, the one and only Dom Nero. Hey Dom, what's up, man?

Dom Nero: Hey, how's it going, Ryan?

Ryan: so glad to have you back on. And as I said, you know, we had the interview a few years ago, and I'm gonna get into some of the changes and the— all the stuff that's gone on since then. But another great reason to have you on is you are one of the few Americans that are being brought over to Amsterdam to speak at the Imaging Days. So congrats on that. I'm looking forward to see what you have going on there too.

Dom Nero: Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm really, excited to be doing that and kind of meeting everybody. And, but I do have to correct you there, Ryan.

Ryan: Yeah, correct me.

Dom Nero: I'm still a Canadian.

Ryan: Oh, you're right. Damn it. Well, obviously I knew that. And, you're not both yet? I wasn't half right, was I?

Dom Nero: I, you know, well, I've been an American for 10 years on a work visa, so I guess I'm American. My friends in Canada say I've developed the, the American accent, the New York accent.

Ryan: Are you ever gonna try and be a dual citizenship?

Dom Nero: We're actually, we're trying this year. The company is gonna go for it. I think they're just sick and tired of reapplying for that visa every year. So they're like, look, if you're staying, we're gonna try for this. So yeah, fingers crossed.

Ryan: That's great. One of the things I wanted to touch on was the fact that, you know, we've gone over your background in the past in the other episode, but you are Canadian. You know, you're from Canada. I would say one of the most high-profile imaging jobs. And at the time, would you say it was surprising, not just to you, but maybe to everybody that you got that gig? Or tell us a little bit about the background of you getting that gig at Hot 97.

Dom Nero: I was definitely surprised when I got it. You know, apart from being Canadian, I thought that was like, oh man, now, you know, that's gonna kind of, well, you're not American and we don't wanna go through all that hassle of getting you a visa and stuff. So I thought right off the bat I was at a disadvantage. but truly, I, I mean, I didn't think I was gonna get it. and probably a lot of people, you know, who gun for big positions, especially at an early age, feel that way. So I was definitely surprised, and I think a lot of other people were surprised too with, with the decision that was made at the time. But, but yeah, I mean, the PD who, who did offer me the gig at the time was kind of like, you know, and I think we talked about this before.

Ryan: Yeah.

Dom Nero: was like, you know, I just wanted someone different and someone who, you know, didn't grow up listening to Hot 97, someone, you know, from a different radio background because I came from like pop and rock. so yeah, and I kind of knew the music, so I think that was kind of their, their, okay, well, he knows hip-hop but he's not from here, he doesn't do the hip-hop thing, so let's try him out.

Ryan: Yeah, and I didn't even ask that to say— not that you deserved it, it was obviously deserved and it certainly has worked out— only to say that to set that up to lead me to now you've been there, is it 10 years?

Dom Nero: It's over 10 years now. It's 10 years and a couple of months, yeah.

Ryan: Compare right now to maybe not day one, but the end of year one. So end of year one, you probably are at least settled at that point, you're feeling pretty good. 10 years later, just compare the lifestyle, the feeling in your mind, where you feel like you are in the business, the strength of the station, all those kind of factors.

Dom Nero: Personally, I think I'm in a better space now. I've learned to kind of manage the time and deal with the workload and kind of learned to have a life outside of the studio too. So I think personally I'm in a better place right now. The station is still doing great. I mean, we've had to change a little bit too, keeping up with, you know, PPM music changing itself, the genre of rhythmic and hip-hop. So I mean, Hot 97's had to change a little bit, but— What's the genre? All in all, it's it's been great, and and yeah, I mean, I I feel better now than I did when I first started. I mean, if I held it down now for ten years, I'm like, all right. Mind you, I didn't. I never get too comfortable.

Ryan: I imagine people are listening and kind of hearing you say that. You know, like you know, I'm not a hundred percent, you know, comfortable every day, which is true with this business. I could imagine people going, well, if Dom Narrow isn't a hundred percent. you know, good to go on a day-to-day basis, then who is?

Dom Nero: Yeah, I mean, you know, you never want to get too comfortable in the sense that you come in here and, you know, just whatever you produce, you produce and you slap on air. Because I know there's a lot of people that would love to have this job, especially nowadays too, where— I mean, maybe I shouldn't say this, but I'll say it anyways.

Ryan: Sure.

Dom Nero: It's kind of rare to find one person doing one station. You know, yeah, a lot of production people nowadays are wearing different hats, whether they're doing 2 stations, 3 stations, some are probably afternoon drive people, some are— so I, I never take that for granted. but at the same time, like I said, I, I still need to keep focused and, and don't get in this, oh, just because I've been here for 10 years, you know, you kind of turn everything off and let it, you know, put it on cruise control. so that's what I mean when I say I'm—

Ryan: Yeah.

Dom Nero: I'm not Always comfortable, you know what I mean?

Ryan: Yeah, but that's great because it just shows you that even if you're over 10 years in one of the biggest stations in the biggest market, you still have to come in and kill it every day, and you should have that mentality.

Dom Nero: Yeah, and you probably— and just because of that, you probably want to work even harder to hang on to what you got, you know what I mean? Now that you've had a taste of it doing it for 10 years and you love it, you know, that's really why I've stayed here for that long is because I love the place, I love the station, I love what I'm doing. I'm not ready to give that up just yet. So you kind of work a little harder every day too, to kind of make sure you don't slip.

Ryan: Let's talk about the New York City radio landscape. I've had multiple people on here that work in the city or had worked in the city, but you're in there, you're in a contemporary format, it's a battle. Tell me the difference in the competition for a station like Hot 97 from let's say 5 years or even 10 years ago. to right now? Because I know that the landscape has changed and your targets are different.

Dom Nero: Yeah, it's definitely changed and it had to do with PPM. And it came down to, you know, Hot 97 had always been that hip-hop station, you know, primarily a Black audience, 18 to 34. And about 2, 3 years ago, 4 years ago, Power 105 down the street started to to really make some noise. And, you know, their sister station was Z100 there. So we were kind of getting attacked from both sides, from the pop side and the hip-hop side, the urban side. So Hot 97 had a decision to make, and with PPM, they decided that the best thing to do was kind of become a little more rhythmic. Granted, Hot 97 was always a rhythmic station.

Ryan: Mm-hmm.

Dom Nero: But nowadays, you know, we do play the new Rita Ora record, or we will play a Nick Jonas record now. It's not that we've turned our back on the Black audience and hip-hop. I'm not saying that at all. It's just that we've had to widen our playlist a little bit for that cume, that extra, you know, those extra meters that could possibly be listening.

Ryan: And it seems like even by doing that though, you might've even created more competition for yourself. The way my perspective would've been, it was kind of Hot versus Power. But then now everybody's kind of leaning into that general space. So you've got the Z audience, you've got Power who also went that way, but then you've got KTU and even PLJ. PLJ got a lot more contemporary. So I feel like you have even more stations that are— that you're right up against.

Dom Nero: Yeah, I mean, musically maybe, but I mean, when it's all packaged and all, I'm not sure if a you know, a PLJ or whoever listener is really gonna come to hot, right? Even if we are playing the same record, you know, it's what plays in between the records too, the jocks and stuff. So I guess the way it's presented. But yeah, I do, I do hear what you're saying. It's funny, I was in Toronto a couple of weeks ago and punched around, and it sounded like every station was a CHR station.

Ryan: Yeah.

Dom Nero: You know, they've got like KISS 92 up there, Chum FM, Virgin 99.9, There's another one too. And it just, that's a battle there of like really tight. And I'm sure it's happening in other markets too. So it's not that tight here where, you know, there's 5 or 6 stations all playing and gunning for the same thing. We kind of have our own lanes at the same time.

Ryan: Yeah. Yeah. Around the station there, this is another thing I like to get inside if we can. It'd be cool to kind of hear I don't know, not to literally go verbatim into some kind of an Emmys programming meeting, but what are some of the programmatic issues that get discussed there, you know, when building your brand?

Dom Nero: They kind of don't tell us too much about that, but— and I don't know if I should be saying, but really there's no secrets. It's keep doing what you're doing. And again, like I've said this before, There's so many factors to take into consideration. You know, it's always changing. I mean, black flight has been a big part of radio and our decision at Hot 97 to change too, because, you know, a lot of black people up until about 3, 4 years ago, after the economy took a hit, were like, see you later, New York, we're outta here 'cause it's too expensive. We're going to Atlanta, we're going— you know what I mean?

Ryan: Yeah.

Dom Nero: Stuff like that always affects it. and so, I mean, yeah, in a programming meeting at Emmys here in New York, I mean, it's, hey, what records should we be playing? And, yeah, what should we not be playing? And we kind of don't really concern ourselves with what everybody else is doing. Like I said, we've got our lane and we stick to it. And, I think on Heritage alone, they've made some pretty good decisions at the station.

Ryan: Yeah, absolutely. What about writing or message or those kinds of things? Tell us how it works. Are you writing everything that goes into the imaging? Are you collaborating? Is it written for you and given to you? And then what kind of goals or limits, or maybe there's areas you won't go into or you have to go into when it comes to your writing?

Dom Nero: The writing process is a collaboration. Sometimes I'll start something or sometimes the PD will have an idea or You know, our morning guy, Ebro, he'll have an idea and we'll just kick it back and forth. there's nothing that I really stay away from. It's kind of that fine line that now we've been talking about for years. It's like, you know, with promos getting shorter and shorter, I mean, we have promos now that are 20 seconds.

Ryan: Mm-hmm.

Dom Nero: you know, so there's some things that you're just gonna have to face. It's like, well, if all this info has to go into the promo, and that alone is 19 seconds, well then there's not a lot of room for creativity when it comes to writing, you know what I'm saying?

Ryan: When writing in an era now where, like you said, you got 20-second promos, and really you don't, I mean nobody has a lot of time to sell the sizzle, as it were. Do you have any little tricks, anything you do to kinda go, all right, I know I gotta give away tickets to artist A, you know, this week I'm gonna do this thing, or any tricks in the back of your mind, any technique that you use to at least get a little bit of creativity injected in 20 seconds?

Dom Nero: Well, I wouldn't call it exactly like creativity, but what I have been doing with a lot of like the concert promos or artist featured promos is actually just starting the promo with a hook of their biggest record that we're playing. And that hopefully kind of keeps the listener's ear. And then in terms of writing or just having creativity within that 20 seconds, I mean, not all the promos are straightforward. Come see so-and-so tonight, blah, blah, blah, and the end. There is room for some creativity. You know, even when we get the artists up here, I'll have them cut some lines that I could use in the future, possibly in a creative way. So there's always stuff like that that I kind of interject into promos and use. Yeah, I just don't want you to think it's just like, you know, like A, B, C, D, promo done. Yeah, yeah, right. It's kind of a case-by-case thing. And then it also depends how many times is this promo running? Is it worth putting in that much work into a promo that's gonna run once? Versus our Summer Jam promos that run for a few months where we get really creative with those in 20 seconds where we have the artist voice it and we did one with Nicki Minaj where she was backstage and kind of like thinking to herself and that was the promo. So like I'm saying, there is room for creativity, it's just not all the time.

Ryan: Would you say having enough knowledge of the iHearts, the Cumulus, the larger companies of the world, that Emmys is still a place where maybe creativity can run a little freer, or is it getting kind of the way most companies are getting? Any major differences that you can see?

Dom Nero: They've always, at Emmys, they've been great at, you know, like, do what you do, and, you know, if it's something that we don't like or don't think it's, you know, then we'll pull you back. But no, they've always encouraged, you know, be creative, whatever. But there's also some guidelines and some limitations. And I think a big part of it too is even if it's not really Emmis doing it or saying it, because Clear Channel and these other big, you know, companies and corporations are doing it, we kind of have to do it just to be on the same playing field, if you know what I mean. Yeah, you know, if their promos are shorter, then hey, and it's working, then we got to do it as well.

Ryan: Yeah, I just talked to Frost, and actually I think you told me you listened to some of that, so you might have heard this, but He kind of said, if you're not paying direct attention to your competitors, and especially if they're doing something right and you still refuse to do it, you're kind of an idiot. I'm paraphrasing.

Dom Nero: Yeah, then you should be doing it.

Ryan: Yeah. I wanted to talk some tech. I'm just curious, really, has much changed in your world as far as software you use, your platform, Mac versus PC? Plugins you like, your studio there, anything changed in the last like 5 or 6 years since we spoke?

Dom Nero: Not really, still a Mac guy, still running Pro Tools. Haven't jumped to the Pro Tools 12 yet though. I'm still at, what is it, 10 point something at home.

Ryan: You're on 10?

Dom Nero: Yeah, I'm still on 10. I mean, it works solidly, it works great, and I'm kind of worried about those AAX plugins and stuff. So yeah, yeah, but, yeah, no, Pro Tools guy, still on Mac, and loving it. And, picked up that Apollo, Quad whatever.

Ryan: Yeah, to get the UAD plugins.

Dom Nero: Yeah, with the UAD plugins. I'm really liking that too, the real-time tracking and all that. So I mean, they got like— I've been using that.

Ryan: They got a lot of different versions of that, of that, yeah, the Twin, the Twin Duo, the Duo Solo. I don't know all the names, but I know what you mean.

Dom Nero: Yeah, yeah, I know.

Ryan: Yeah, it's, it's It's a duo. Great. So the UAD plug, so you're in that world. That's a world that I know a lot of like the real geeks are, you know, whenever they get into it, because I did it myself and it's like, oh wow, now I'm into a whole new level. Did you feel like that when you got those?

Dom Nero: Yeah, yeah, it felt really good actually. It was like, wow. And yeah, but that's what we do. We geek out and we want new things once in a while, and I think it keeps us interested and happy in what we do.

Ryan: Yeah, absolutely. Other things, other, you know, outside of Hot 97, I think if I'm not mistaken, you had told me when you were heading to Toronto, were you going up there to DJ? Are you doing outside stuff like that, or what else are you doing besides radio?

Dom Nero: Trying to take some time off and watch some movies and stuff and relax is always good. But yeah, I DJ once in a while, do some parties here in New York, but just very rarely. But yeah, I play reggae and dancehall music, Caribbean music, so that's what I enjoy to play, so I do those kinds of parties. And every time I fly back to Toronto, the guys I used to work with up there always line something up. So yeah, there's that. There's, you know, I get to take my car out when I go back there too.

Ryan: You get to drive?

Dom Nero: I always look forward to that. Yeah, and like I said, you know, just not being in the studio all the time and just getting some time to kick back and relax.

Ryan: A lot of people have said, you know, one of the keys to doing what we do, or at least radio imaging production, is to really absorb and, you know, consume pop culture. I would assume you're kind of like me where you go in waves, but you just said you're trying to, you know, suck it in. But are there times where you feel like you just went like months without seeing anything or doing anything?

Dom Nero: Not really, because— but that's what I mean by getting out of the studio, because I actually enjoy getting out and watching a movie and doing the things that the listeners are doing, you know what I mean? Yeah. It's when we're in this studio for 10 hours, 12 hours a day that then we don't get to do that. We don't enjoy ourselves. We don't know what our listeners are watching or reading or, you know what I mean? So yeah, just living life is, you know, it's, it's what our listeners do and it's what we should be doing too once in a while. Yeah. And yeah, it feels good.

Ryan: I was just curious too about other, other radio work. Not, you know, to give you an ad maybe, or, you know, a commercial, but really Do you take on the responsibility of imaging outside stations? Is that something you want to do, like to do, or are forced to do?

Dom Nero: I've thought about it. If the offer came along, sure. I do some side work now for stations here and there for some companies. And, but like I said, I don't want to take on too much stuff because that time is so needed, you know, at the end of the week where you just don't want to be at home on a weekend working and working. And before you know it, it's Monday again. You haven't, watched a football game, or you know what I'm saying?

Ryan: Yep.

Dom Nero: So, so I'm very, selective, and I'll just take on a few projects here or there. I've also started doing some sound design for, some video work, which is fun. having a blast with that. So, I try to set some time aside so when they hit me up, I'm like, sure, I got some time to do it.

Ryan: Yeah, that's cool. How did you get started in that? Is it, kind of a tweak sound, screw around thing, or is it more get into video and then go, oh well, maybe I can kind of produced the audio for this.

Dom Nero: Yeah, it was more mixing and kind of mixing the projects and minor sound design. But the way I got into it, the gentleman that worked here in our video department, he used to shoot our concerts and edit all our footage. He left and they started their own company in LA, him and his buddy, and they had some guy on board doing sound design that I guess I don't know what happened, if he called it quits or what happened. So they hit me up one day and I did a project for them. They liked it and they've been calling me back here and there ever since.

Ryan: Nice. Is that something anybody can see publicly or is that just something you could put out there?

Dom Nero: Yeah, I could, I could, yeah, definitely. I could send you some links to some of the trailers that we've done.

Ryan: Oh cool. Yeah, that'd be awesome.

Dom Nero: Yeah, they're not, they're not, they're not, they're— hang on. No, when I say trailers, I'm not talking about, you know, the next Hollywood blockbuster porn trailer. All right, but like for dance festivals, for those EDM festivals and stuff like that. But I'll send you the links.

Ryan: Oh, absolutely. I mean, no, that'd be cool. I think just seeing, you know, the other— I guess one of the things I've always tried to kind of bring out is, you know, be a multiple threat. You know, Hollywood, they might say be a triple threat, but I mean, in our business, I think it's more important than ever to have a wide skill set, you know. So doing things like that, obviously for you, is great.

Dom Nero: You seem to like it and And it still keeps us doing what we're doing, but in a different capacity. And I think it makes the job enjoyable too. It makes me appreciate when I come back into the station and, okay, now it's time to do radio stuff. And oh, I missed this, you know, not doing this for a few days. And now it's time to do video stuff. Oh, this was cool. I remember doing this last time. And now it's work on music for fun, you know.

Ryan: Mmhmm.

Dom Nero: So you're always, you're always, you know, turning knobs and whatever, you know, on Pro Tools, but you're doing something different each time. And I think that keeps it interesting and it Kind of makes you miss what you were doing the last time, so.

Ryan: Oh, I totally agree. And it also, I think it's good for the brain. I mean, obviously it's like muscle memory or whatever, but if you are constantly throwing the ball at the same spot, you'll never get good at throwing it at a different spot. That was an awesome analogy I just made. Let's totally switch gears now, as everybody's time is limited, and I didn't want these, you know, these kind of follow-up episodes to be totally long, but I do want to talk about the imaging days. They're bringing you out to Amsterdam, specifically Haarlem, right by Amsterdam. And I guess first let's talk about your session. I mean, you don't have to get too much detail as of yet, but do— let's hype it a little bit and tell people what you have going on there.

Dom Nero: Yeah, it's gonna be cool. Actually, I want to say too that I'm going more as a fan because I can't wait to see Kelly and John and yourself and everybody else who's gonna be there.

Ryan: Ditto, ditto.

Dom Nero: Yeah, shout out to Anthony for inviting me. But I'm gonna take a look at, actually it was kind of what we touched on before is imaging a station like a Hot 97 in a rhythmic format or an urban format and kind of still trying to compete with those CHR stations. What are the lines? How far could we push it? And so I know they have a lot of people that are gonna be talking CHR, so I'll take it from that rhythmic urban imaging angle and we'll kind of walk through that.

Ryan: Yeah, that's awesome. Are you gonna like set up sessions or any of that? Are you more— are you gonna play some audio and talk about it? What's your—

Dom Nero: Yeah, we're good. I definitely got some sessions already set up that we're gonna break down and kind of let you hear the way I go about doing stuff. And I'm sure— well, I hope you learn from me, and I'm sure I'm gonna learn from the other people that are there too. So it should be great.

Ryan: Yeah, and I got to bring this up because, yeah, you're the first one— you might be the only one I end up talking to that I'm gonna actually— I'm putting together 2 panels and And you're going to be one of the 3 featured members of actually day 2's panel. It's pretty much some—

Dom Nero: Mm-hmm.

Ryan: 3 of their really top-level in-house station producers together. And the main topic is going to be essentially how we stand out. You know, in our jobs, it's kind of our job to brand the station, but how we make 'em stand out. And I guess all I would say right now Is as maybe a primer, you know, little things that Hot 97 has to do or can do to stand out. But also, I feel like these days we have to stand out above, you know, streaming services, all the web content, and even television almost as much as we do against other radio stations. So you can agree or disagree and expand on that in any way you want to.

Dom Nero: Yeah, no, I would take the— what is it, the 4 I agree? Yes, Ryan, I agree that it is very difficult to stand out these days, especially when people are watching television on a phone. And yeah, yeah, I agree. And that should be a good debate, actually. That should be a really good talk. I'm looking forward to that.

Ryan: Yeah. And I can't remember, I'll put you on the spot because I honestly can't remember if I even emailed you this yet, but each person on that panel— well, I know I asked you to be on the panel. That's set. You can't get out of it.

Dom Nero: Yeah, no, no, no, you asked me that, but you didn't tell me what it was about or anything like that.

Ryan: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So now to put you on the spot for a second time, everybody's gonna bring one piece, whatever, whatever the audio is, it might be a campaign of 3 different sweepers, it might be one promo, whatever it is, something that exemplifies a way as a station you make Hot 97 stand out.

Dom Nero: Got it. I already got the audio in my head too that I'll bring.

Ryan: Oh, nice. Awesome.

Dom Nero: Yeah. Do you want me to describe that or leave that?

Ryan: No, no, leave that there. Leave that one there.

Dom Nero: Oh, okay, okay.

Ryan: Yeah, we'll, we'll, we'll bring that up, day 2, October 6th.

Dom Nero: Thanks for the heads up there, Ryan.

Ryan: Yeah, you got it. I mean, I was gonna email you the day before, I'm sure, so, you know, you could be— anyway.

Dom Nero: Nah, that's cool, that's cool.

Ryan: Awesome. Hey, you know what? This was great. I was glad to catch up with you again. I just, I'm really happy to see, you know, a good dude. Everybody knows that, knows you, knows you're a nice guy, but you're talented. And it's cool to see a guy from Canada just killing it, you know? So congrats, man.

Dom Nero: Thank you, man. I appreciate that, Ryan. Thanks. It means a lot, man. And being down here and meeting all the cool people like yourself and stuff, that's really the big reason too why I wanted to remain down here. So So thanks, man.

Ryan: I forgot one thing. Is it— is it— I'm gonna screw this up because I know nothing about the CFL, but is it Argonauts or Giants for Dom Narrows?

Dom Nero: It is the Giants.

Ryan: Okay.

Dom Nero: But the Jays are doing good now, so it's the Jays.

Ryan: Oh.

Dom Nero: Not the Maple Leafs.

Ryan: Okay.

Dom Nero: We'll see what the Raptors do. So yeah, I kind of flow. I kind of could be like, I'm pretty sure it's the Jays. Going for New York this year. I'm going for Toronto, all right?

Ryan: But awesome. Sorry about that. I mean, that Dallas game.

Dom Nero: Oh, no, no, no. I was a Toronto Argonauts fan that night.

Ryan: Okay, okay, good, good. All right, man. Dom, thank you so much. We'll see you in Amsterdam and we'll talk to you next time.

Dom Nero: Thanks, buddy.

Ryan: Let me round it out. Really only to mention 2 things, although of course I will say thanks again to Dom Narrows. great dude. And if you're gonna be out there at the Imaging Days, that's a guy who I want to see in action up there. I want to see his session. we're gonna bring up some Pro Tools sessions and show his ass. Done. Good. anyway, Kelly Doherty, the Vice President of Imaging for iHeartRadio— or iHeartMedia maybe is what I should say. Anyway, she'll be the next guest. She has certainly elevated through the ranks over the last few years. It's actually been at least 5 years since I had her on the show, so Great time to revisit with her. And we'll do one more kind of hype, show for the Imaging Days. I don't know that I've mentioned the website. We've talked about the Imaging Days a few times, but theimagingdays.com, probably pretty easy to find and get to if you want to get more information. Otherwise, if you're going to be out there, let me know. I'd love to say hi to you, and I'm sure we will regardless because they, you know, we're all in the same room. Anyway, one more time I'll mention, now that you've heard the interview, if you're interested to see and hear what Dom has been doing, his sort of sound design to picture. I do have all those YouTube links right on the podcast page for the Dom Nero 2015 episode. Maybe you're also hearing this 3 years after it was actually created, so search Dom Nero 2015. That's how to get to this episode on my website, RyanOnTheRadio.com. All right, that should do it. Thanks so much for checking it out as always. Until next time, bye.

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